We'd like to welcome Apple to the world of ARM-based laptops. You're a couple years late to the party, though, but better now than never? 😉

@PINE64 I mean... You actually believe powerpc and ARM are that different?! Hahahaha

@seven They're both RISC architectures. That's about all they have in common. To claim they are the same is kind of like saying that coffee and tea are the same thing because they both come from plant material.

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@PINE64 O_O If I don't have to switch toolchains to build my nix of choice on either or, they aren't "that" different...

That said, my point is they are not new to the non-intel game for a PC and have more experience with it than anyone else, even if they haven't been doing it, for a while...

@seven @PINE64
as if you can put nix on there, this is Apple, remember?

but anyways, the toolchains would be different
RISC just means they have a limited number of instructions, but that doesn't mean ARM and PowerPC would have the same limited number of instructions

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I can put anything on there I want (macos is a bsd varient anyways so it's nix). Linus used macbook airs for years for kernel dev... O_o

@PINE64

@seven well yeah, the underlying OS is Darwin. Apple uses it for both iOS and macOS.
But with it being ARM and their own silicon, good luck getting past their DRM and such. Definitely doesn't have EFI.
Linux is traditionally x86, and it'll probably stay x86 first for a few more years.
I am saying all this despite owning a PBP, running Arch.

@the I mean I've ran non intel linux, well a very long time...

As for their DRM, consider how much focus will be on breaking it, much like iOS jailbreak, it's not going to be long, regardless of what they do... ;)

I'm all for different random tech don't get me wrong, I just don't think "welcome to the show" is the best message, instead something like "welcome back to the fold" would be more constructive. Consider what their dev army could and probably will do for the arch ( I have ran arch on a ppc macbook, I'm not going to say it was fun to get working, but it can work, slackware too).

@seven @the @PINE64 They’re using their iPad chips. This means no booting of anything but macOS and every reinstall requiring an internet connection to reactivate your Mac. You will own your computer as little as an iPhone then. Dark times ahead.

@seven @the @PINE64 Yes. iOS is already like this. And ARM MacBooks will be the same.

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